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Subject:Studio One Artist vs. Pro
DJIceman97
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I'm trying to decide between the two. I run a small sound company and plan on doing some home recording with friends, as well as recording all shows live. I seem to have lost my copy of Studio One Artist and, unfortunately, Presonus seems unable to help me recover my key. I don't plan on doing anything too fancy or professional, just some fun recording and basic mix downs. Will I be alright with Artist versus Pro? What are the key differences that warrant Pro being 3x the price?
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Here is the complete list of differencies between versions:
http://studioone.presonus.com/what-are-the-versions/
For me no VST support is the main reason to upgrade to atleast producer. I really like native products, but sometimes
you just might need some extra.
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I just wanted to get this off my chest.
I think disabling VST, AU, & Rewire support on the Artist version doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm an artist, all I want to do is write songs, capture song ideas, & communicate those ideas. My DAW should be nothing more than a scratch pad. But I should be able to use any instrument I want.
Nothing against the fine instruments included in StudioOne, but if my instrument of choice is NI's Kontakt or FM8 or Monark..... why shouldn't I be able to play them? Those are the instruments that spark my creativity. Those are the instruments I want to work with.
Or, if I'm one of those guys who use MPC Studio, how would I get my ideas from there to StudioOne?
Or if I'm a guitar player & I use GuitarRig.... sure studio one may have an comparable product..... but I want to use 'my amp'
I've got Artist & these things limit me. I'm considering upgrading to Producer, but I'm not going to be using features like buses, sends., automation, I won't ever use half the effects, most likely won't use many of them at all..... I have no desire to mix or edit.
All I want to do is put together a basic demo that I can play for other artist where everyone can get a basic idea of where I'm at & we can all figure out where to go from there...... basically a rough demo.
Now, there are other options out there. Magix Music Studio. Full VST support, limited routing & effects. Just saying.
Subject:Yepp ! It's a shame !!
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Just what I think too !!
It's a shame not to include vst / vsti in Studio One Artist. I have to agree and want to shout out loud thats time to change the policy.
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Subject:Re:Studio One Artist vs. Pro
thunderkyss
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Jumping in again.
I can understand track limits...... 16 is more than I need. But other 'lite' versions allow 32 (PTLE 7.4) or 48(Cubase Artist, Samplitude Music Studio)
I can understand audio input & output limits... again, an artist really shouldn't need more than 2 (recording a stereo mix off a mixer) but these other apps I've seen allow up to 8 inputs, 2 stereo outs.
Samplitude Music Studio limits you to two sends..... I don't need either. Two insert effects. I would say two plus EQ, there should be an EQ on every channel & two insert effects.
I don't have a lot of deal breakers, I can work around just about anything. But not being able to use the instruments I want to use, that's a deal breaker.
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Nah, I disagree.
Artist is included with all of their interfaces, it's designed to be a scratch-pad, which it succeeds at admirably. And Producer is the comparatively priced 'lite' version. The pricing is completely in line with the competitors. The difference is that Studio One Free is just that, completely free, while Artist is the intro version, Producer is lite and Pro is the full version.
Those that want unfettered VST support in Artist are asking Presonus to take a loss to satisfy them...this isn't good business, and would make little sense. You simply buy the product that allows you to achieve your goals, for your goals, Producer is the product...and the price is right in the ballpark for comparative options.
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Gizzmo0815 wrote:Nah, I disagree.
Artist is included with all of their interfaces, it's designed to be a scratch-pad, which it succeeds at admirably. And Producer is the comparatively priced 'lite' version. The pricing is completely in line with the competitors. The difference is that Studio One Free is just that, completely free, while Artist is the intro version, Producer is lite and Pro is the full version.
Those that want unfettered VST support in Artist are asking Presonus to take a loss to satisfy them...this isn't good business, and would make little sense. You simply buy the product that allows you to achieve your goals, for your goals, Producer is the product...and the price is right in the ballpark for comparative options.

When I bought my MBox2 Pro, I got PTLE. 7.4 - no VST support, but full RTAS & Rewire support. Every Instrument I bought either installed an RTAS version, or fully supports rewire.
It also came with AbletonLive 8 Lite. Only 8 tracks total, and some limitations to how you can use the included instruments, but full VST & Rewire support.
The lite version of Samplitude only costs $49.99 You're limited to 16 bits, 64 tracks, 2 insert effects.
Think about it, if your instrument of choice is Scarbee's Vintage Piano, or Alicia's Keys & you want to record yourself, you can go get an 8 track, or 16 track recorder that won't interferer with your choice of instrument in any way or form.
You shouldn't expect to be able to produce polished tracks & as an artist, that's generally not your goal.
But with StudioOne Artist, I can make a pretty polished record & the limitations of VSTs can be worked around. I may be a good enough engineer/mixer, that I can do whatever I need with the included StudioOne effects. I can run as many tracks, busses, inputs, & outputs that I want.
Why would a single musician ever need to record more than a stereo pair? Why would a single musician need more than a stereo out? Or 8 insert effects, 8 effects sends? as many as 24 busses? If you're crafty enough, you can route 8 tracks of ADAT out & back into your studio & use any effects you want.
I'm not trying to start any trouble, just trying to help. I think there should be a product for musicians, supplying the features they 'need' & once you start 'dictating' what instruments they can use, you're pretty much infringing on that musician's creativity. Recording & arranging should be the focus. You should be able to record whatever you want, whether it be an upright piano, or a VSTi of an upright piano.
There should be another product for entry level studios, project studios. There should be additional features for editing, overdubing, routing. This is where you should go beyond CD quality sound, 24 bits 48K & up.
Then there should be the product for professionals. Increased routing, highest sampling rates, advanced disk management, support for industry standard formats, 64 bit memory access, pitch correction, sidechaining, networking features, etc...

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Subject:Re:Studio One Artist vs. Pro
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I also got PT10 with my ElevenRack.
I think that's limited to 99 tracks & I need an Ilok..... but I think that's it. Well, there is that VST/RTAS thing, but not really a big deal.

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Subject:Re:Studio One Artist vs. Pro
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Producer IS the VSTi and VST supported version of Artist.
If they allowed VST support in Artist though the sales would climb over night, I myself believe they should allow limited VST support if not to end this inquiry but also increase sales.
Of course that's just my unimportant opinion.
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Subject:Re:Studio One Artist vs. Pro
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For $99 Sonar gets you full VST/VSTi support, 64 audio tracks, unlimited midi tracks, & you can even import video.
Again, not trying to be difficult. Just trying to help Presonous do something different & offer something musicians need at a relatively 'fair' price. So we aren't paying for things we'll never use.
Those guys who are interested in multitracking, multiband compressors, pitch correction, sync'ing to video..... let them pay for it.
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Much larger companies can afford to push loss-lead products like that. An artist can use Artist to do everything you're asking about. If the intent is to use the software as a scratch pad, then Artist does exactly everything you want. If the intent is to have a production platform for finished songs, the PRODUCER does exactly that. If one needs the additional capabilities afforded by a 64 bit DAW, a mastering suite and additional export capabilities, video support and the like...the Professional is the one to go with. Which at $299 is WAY less than a lot of the other comparable products...seriously...you're talking about products that have upgrade prices of $400+ dollars compared to products at less than half that.
When you look at the whole line of products Presonus offers it's more than reasonable.
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Subject:Re:Studio One Artist vs. Pro
thunderkyss
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Gizzmo0815 wrote:
When you look at the whole line of products Presonus offers it's more than reasonable.

Try not to take this personal. StudioOne is a fine product & there are somethings they've done that I've thought, 'Why hasn't anyone done this before.' This on the other hand is one of those that left me scratching my head.
And price really isn't the issue. If it's worth it, people will pay. I've been to a few different forums in the last month or so asking users of other DAWs what features they thought their DAWs offered songwriters.
I realized....... DAWs aren't really made for musicians. Not even songwriters.
Someone on one of those forums pointed me towards StudioOne & it dawned on me I got a version of Artist with my AudioBox. So I went to their website & read what they had to say about Artist.
Unlike other “entry-level” DAWs, it imposes no limits on track count and plug-in instantiations, or editing features.

Honestly, I've never had a problem with trackcounts, even Ableton's 8 tracks. For me, once you go past 8 tracks, it's time to go to the studio. Think about it. Who needs 120 tracks, 10 busses, & 10 insert effects per track, & 13 stereo outputs for a scratchpad.
Now imagine you buy a Zoom R16, or a Tascam DP-004. Think about what limitations you will have. How do you think it would sell, if they said it didn't work with acoustic instruments, that you could only record instruments that put out -4db? wouldn't make sense would it? But if they said you don't have any effects busses, or only had 3 effects...... I think that would be more reasonable, more expected.
Subject:Re:Studio One Artist vs. Pro
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thunderkyss wrote:Try not to take this personal.

I don't think anyone is.
There are other considerations though. From the perspective of the buyer it's always going to be 'what can I get for the lowest price'. But from a business perspective I think Presonus has a much more delicate balancing act. The question has to be 'how much can I get for this'. It's the constant consumer battle. I'd wager that because Presonus includes Artist free with so many of their interfaces...they consider it basically a loss-leader product. Also don't forget the upgrade pricing, which is not bad at all. If you consider that Artist with an interface, is free (or extremely low cost) then Producer, with the upgrade price is actually only $100 for a full DAW with all the support you're asking for, and even more really. That's cheap for the product you're getting.
I think for a company their size, the prices do have to be slightly higher, but the product is widely considered to be an excellent one, so they can get away with it because the user-base seems to be willing (or more than willing when you consider the upgrade possibilities with the included-artist version) to pay it.
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...or less during one of their sales...
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Subject:Re:Studio One Artist vs. Pro
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OK ! I purchased this enormous, stunning, irresistible monster Soundcard - Mixer - Presonus 24.4.2 with its incredible signal-processing power on every channel, integrated hardware-software mixing and recording systems etc etc. And when I looked deaper in the package I found this extremly lite version of Studio One Artist without vst / vsti support. Great ! Just what I needed. The only virtual shit I use is Native Kontakt. Maybe som vst plugins. Yes, yes I can fix it with sub-softwares anyway. Audio Virtual cables, virtual midi cables, import wave data, export wave data, move and cut and merge bla bla bla. I love to spin me into virtual cables and stuff. I just love being a simple musician and - I've decided - I will not buy anything near Studio One Pro - what so ever. Because of the rubbed mindset. But there are always alternatives - fortunately. Time to Change your policy and it will increase the number of happy faces at every stage.
Regards Michael
Forgot to note this. The upgrade for us hardware owners should not cost more than about $ 100. Then I would also look at upgrading!

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Rewire host support, including live integration with Notion Add VST2, VST3 and AudioUnits support to Studio One 3 Artist and run any compatible plug-ins or virtual instruments! Also adds Rewire support for live integration with other software. NOTE: you already own this product or feature if you're a Studio One 3 Professional user! Bring VST, AU and Rewire support to Studio One Artist. Add VST2, VST3 and AudioUnits support to Studio One 3 Artist and run any compatible plug-ins or virtual instruments. Also adds Rewire support for live integration with other software.

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Hi all.
I am music enthusiast, and was considering getting Artist version of the the software, unfortunately INABILITY of using VST is just big NO!!! for me.
I have bought IK, IN plugins and bunch of others over the past decade, as you normally do, lol.
However, THE fact that you have to pay an extra!!! for using something which IMHO should be included in that particular version anyway is one big nonsense!
I guess, it is all about the $, and not about the Artists, at least not about those who are able to only afford Studio One 3 Artist.
Studio One 3 Professional is one big whoop bleep, hats off.
however how many of us will be able to reach in to our pockets and pull out $400/£279?
How about other software? and I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL OUT VERSIONS, budget one around $100.
Lets do honest comparison of Studio One 3 Artist vs SONAR vs Cubase Elements 8 vs Reason vs. etc...
I have a question, what is the point of introducing mid range of soft, calling it Artist and than locking your instruments away?
anyway,
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I think you answered your own questions. For me, I have tried all the major DAW's for years. About 5 years ago when I tried SO v1.0 I was blown away and the simplicity of workflow. They focused on the artist workflow and simplicity to create good music without having to be a pro engineer.
I'm a professional-self taught hack and I was able to do the impossible relative to creating music. Presonus in my eyes speaks not only to the 'Newbs' but is now in the sites of major recording studios.
Without sounding argumentative, this comes down to supporting a solution that supports you. Try out Artist, if you like the workflow and simplicity. If you like the ease of use and the ability to create without having to feel like you need to be a pro engineer....then why wouldn't you simply save up and buy this product?
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You can always go for the VST and AU and Rewire Support so your Artist can host VST's.
Alternatively, if you don't want to many limits, you can also go for the cheaper Reaper or Tracktion to use your VST's in.
You can only decide what is worth what..
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niles wroteYou can always go for the VST and AU and Rewire Support so your Artist can host VST's.
Alternatively, if you don't want to many limits, you can also go for the cheaper Reaper or Tracktion to use your VST's in.
You can only decide what is worth what..

Sure, but I think you missed the point,
well I was asking about ppl opinions,
I think that creating lock for the VST/AU is not what you would normally expect when you are paying $100 for software, isn't it?
I don't understand why to disable those necessary (at least in my case) option and than ask for another $100 to unlock them?
Not cool.
I would preferred if PS put the product together and asked for the price, it's like a add-on in full versions of games on mobile/tablet, well you can play for certain time, when you used it all allowance you can always go to adds-on and get whatever is needed to extend the time for certain fee.
I guess everything will be fine until VST to let say violin would be needed.
  1. VST/AU/ReWire Support Add-on for Studio One Artist (versions 3 and 4) Add VST2, VST3, and AudioUnits support to Studio One Artist (Versions 3 and 4) and run any compatible plug-ins or virtual instruments! Also adds Rewire support for live integration with other software.
  2. Product Description for the Presonus VST/AU/REWIRE (Instant Software Download) Add VST2, VST3, and AudioUnits support to Studio One Artist (Versions 3 and 4) and run any compatible plug-ins or virtual instruments! Also adds Rewire support for live integration with other software.

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dwdrum wroteI think you answered your own questions. For me, I have tried all the major DAW's for years. About 5 years ago when I tried SO v1.0 I was blown away and the simplicity of workflow. They focused on the artist workflow and simplicity to create good music without having to be a pro engineer.
I'm a professional-self taught hack and I was able to do the impossible relative to creating music. Presonus in my eyes speaks not only to the 'Newbs' but is now in the sites of major recording studios.
Without sounding argumentative, this comes down to supporting a solution that supports you. Try out Artist, if you like the workflow and simplicity. If you like the ease of use and the ability to create without having to feel like you need to be a pro engineer....then why wouldn't you simply save up and buy this product?

Sure,
I like how the soft works, user friendly, I like it.
I've noticed that you are using Studio One 3 Professional, your argument is coming from totally different angle. I don't know how PS supporting artists by limiting IMHO access to VST, I think they supporting themselves by charging extra, for something what is available in competitive softs.
You are right about workflow and simplicity, as I stated above it's user friendly. However can we look at comparing Artist as it is without extension/add-on (cause that would be $200) and then have an objective discussion.
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Maybe they should set the price for Artist at $180.00, but give a discount of $80 if you only use the native plugins.
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I agree with the OP on this one. Studio One is pretty much the only DAW that doesn't have 3rd party plugin support with their entry level software. Here's a quote from me over a year ago when I was considering different DAWs.
miked7 wrote...I'm new to DAWs and have been running the Studio One Professional Demo and I just didn't realize about the 3rd party plug-ins until my Demo ran out. ...(Sonar) supports my plug-ins which are already purchased, Reaper supports them, and Traction 6 supports them, and (I think, but not positive) Mixcraft 7 supports them - all at the entry level purchase price. So why doesn't Studio One? ...
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Yes, Mixcraft also supports 3rd party plug-ins with their entry level DAW.

You can add AudioDesk by MOTU and FL Studio to that list as well.
FWIW, if you don't already have one, you could buy a Presonus audio interface (which comes with Artist) and learn the native plugins, which are really good, then wait for a sale down the road and upgrade at a discount.
To answer the question in the title of the thread - yes! Absolutely! Studio One rocks!
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